Dr.V-Dubious - 2016-12-15 8:46 PM well, Stan always said "overcome the dead short"....?? SO,,, if you start it up with amplitude/mass bubbles,,(air capacitor equivalent),,then you could 'tone' it down when the LC kicks in > maintaining that production (might explain the delrin insulation+solid core to keep bubbles in the gap?) ,,(some say dry-caps/empty cells yield LC better),,,,,,,,, just an idea ? OR,,,> what does anyone think/interpret Stan meant by 'dead-short'??> we all want to know

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Dr.V-Dubious in the earlier Meyer patents the dead-short condition is described as a breakdown, where you can not bring voltage up.

If you have a variac and a rectifier you can do a simple test that I did:

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1- Connect the variac with the bridge rectifier without inductors or pulsing circuit to the WFC and dont Forget the ammeter.

2- Connect the oscilloscope to the wfc plates / tubes.

3- Try to rise slowly the variac voltage and you will notice that voltage does not go up on the scope and ammeter rises very high or almos fullscale at very low voltages such as 10V or less.

4- Put the coils and then do the same again... You will notice the ammeter will not hit the fullscale and you will be able to see more than 2v over the cell. look into patent ended with 661.

 

This is, in my opinion, taking over the dead-short condiiton while restrict (not the shut off completely) amps.

 

Totally agree with that !

In fact, until patent 4,798,661 all Stanley MEYERS's circuits/patents deal with dead short conditions.

 

With various devices, he was able to overcome the usual limitation of 2.5V (non regulated and non filtered DC voltage, pulsed DC voltage, resistive elements... ) and use resonant action to improve yield production... But always he was limited by the "dead short conditions " of his devices. Stanley made a very good investigation on how amp leakage occur and their consequences on the dead short limitation in the patent 4,798,661. (A very important fact is that until this patent Stanley never spoke about step charge because step charge is impossible to reach with dead short conditions...)

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As X-blade said, you will have to carefully study the patent 4,7978,661 (not only read it...)

because this patents describe very well the amp leakage phenomena and you will understand that it is really what you have to master :

 Amp leakage between positive and "negative" plate and how to avoid it.

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 After this major patent, Stanley made new technological choices that led to "a new technology"

with a huge improvement of his devices. The 1st majors were "isolated ground circuit" and LC resonance...

But before speaking about that, you have to do the job and carefully study the patent 4,798,661.

 

Then we will have new discussions and hopefully more efficient work on that subject 

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Some of us Believe Stan Learnt to design in capacitance into cell and tube put varnish on + tube or a quartz tube around it like a ionizer to 

stabilize voltage build up and avoid short and amp Draw  2018

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first paragraph 'claim'= 5th level "electron inhibitance"plates(FIG-7=scroll down).>>no ones done that.... never mind the SECOND variable choke>... no ones done that either,,,,(classic setup)... 

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Great Compile Scarou..(got into my google account),,thanks to you we now know the secret! 

the very first page=ABSTRACT says this,,,,,,,,,, I still cant believe no one did this,,,, 

:==____generator. The next circuit comprises an electron inhibitor that prevents the flow of electrons; the circuit being in the terminal line between the negative plate exciter and ground. In those applications of the generator wherein excessively high voltage is to be applied to the plate exciters for a very high yield of gasses, a second electron inhibitor of a unique structure is serially connected with the first electron inhibiter. The second named inhibiter having a relatively fixed value and the first inhibiter connected in series is variable to fine tune the circuits to eliminate current flow._______"". 


>Stan is basically leaving an open circuit,,and preventing the ground from being a ground to the smallest point possible..preventing electron flow in the first place,, too easy... this is Tesla stuff> and there IS a wireless aspect to the oscillation of the ground choke to sync/resonate with the Pos-choke..... this is NOT!=textbook isolated LC ..>its a different animal.

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then in Scarou's paragraph4= Summary of invention: 

here stan is talking again=very high gas yield BECAUSE of Neg-plate circuitry=(second vary coil/+inhib' plates)== 

==_____"In most instances of a practical application of the hydrogen and oxygen generator the pair of plate exciters will be several pairs connected in parallel. There will be one terminal to the positive voltage and another terminal to the negative voltage. A further expediency to eliminate electron leakage is attained by eliminating the large surface area probability of stray electrons. 
It is noted that the first two circuit components and the multiple connections for restricting electron leakage relates to the plate exciter having the negative voltage applied thereto. That is the circuitry overcomes the attractive force of the B+ potential field. Additional circuitry is provided for very high yield gas production above the aforesaid upper limits, in the negative applied voltage plate exciter. 
A circuit is included in the negative plate exciter that practically eliminates electron flow; that is, the electrons are prevented from reaching the negative plate exciter and thereby eliminating the affect of the attractive force of the B+ field. A current limiting resister connected between the negative plate exciter and ground, prevents current flow—electron leakage to the the opposite polarity field. 
The circuit comprises a limiter resistor connected between the negative plate and ground that blocks current flow—electron leakage to the negative plate. The practical elimination of the current has no affect on the voltage, in the preferred embodiment, since there is no voltage drop. 
In a sophisticated embodiment, the limiting resistor comprises a unique structure of poorly conductive material having a resistive mixture sandwiched therebetween. A second resistor of the variable type is serially connected to the unique limiter for tuning . The value of the limiting resistance is determined by the current passing therethrough. The variable is employed until the ammeter reads zero or close to zero as possible. 
The sandwich type limiter is varied in value by controlling the mixture of resistive material to binder.______"....... 

??"the unique limiter for tuning",^,"a resistive mixture sandwiched",^,"The value of the limiting resistance is determined by the current",^,"varied in value by controlling the mixture of resistive material to binder",^,....???.. 

what the F*ck' is THAT?>> obviously a condenser/cap,,,,BOYZ!! looks like we have another 'polarizable' substance here !!! 
sounds magnetic,,,,, ferro,,,para,,,or,,dia,,?>water is dia-magnetic,, but can carry other electric property's 

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Lol!> Stan was makeing his own giant resistors! >looks more like a condenser,probably acts that way too.. 

carbon composition resistors withstand high voltage/energy pulses,,Carbon resistors can be made with a higher resistance than wirewound resistors..The resistive material for the carbon composition resistor is a blend of graphite, ceramic dust and resin> "resistor paste" that u then bake.. the thickness would determine R-value..carbon is dia-magnetic,,,nobel metal oxides are often used too..

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Stan then replace them by the chokes, because resistors consume power in form of heat, chokes stores power in form of magnetic field and then produce voltage when they collapse.

Yes, mainly he replace "resistors" by "inductors". But he did not that because of power consuming . Apart storing energy instead of consuming it, inductors have much more characteristics that resistors don't have.

You really have to study the patent 4,798,661 and understanding (at least having an hypothesis) of what mean each sentence in this patent. You need to feel all the means...  (reading the patent on the EPG can help too)

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of course u know the big difference between choke(filter) and resistor(trap).. 

Stan didn't replace anything,,,It says he "Added" the "unique"resistor plates at the ground to get even better higher voltage potential at the B+....(remember electron/current flow comes from the ground)>he stops/"limits" it there,,>>the variable-coil part just fine tunes the LARGE R-value of the plate-resistance... 

the way I think about it is like a Tesla-coil,, puts out only ONE=Massive-voltage potential>B+,,Uni-polar=Only one pole!! (Stans has amplitude,,same idea/smaller gap) 
the closer you bring a hard-ground the more cold static-electricity will polarize/stretch/fracture water molecule better,,,until Too-closed of a circuit= dead-short amps/current/electron flow>,,Open circuit closing,,,but never fully closed 

SO the plate-resistor is INSULATING the ground so that it finds a Negative for polarization,,,but can't touch it HARD (current flow). 
Max did stress the "potential", but I didn't know how to achieve it until Now.... 

Thanks Guys!! >See,,, ask the right questions,, and a community can help eachother,,everyone has different ways to understand!,, 
(PS. we need this done quick,, 2017 is gonna be crazy times of change)

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